I would suggest considering a couple questions. Dec 9, 2020 - Latter-day Village is an online resource for LDS teachers and leaders. I don’t know where the notion came from that we shouldn’t talk about some of the things that happen inside the temple. There is always work to do, including the work I owe my employer. Many will be able to take what has been shared here and with that “construct” be able to act in faith and work through much of actually approaching Father. There is an order or ceremony to prayer that will allow us to converse with the Lord through the veil and receive instruction or revelation. Images, words and phrases flowed into my mind while Eastbound on the 118 at 65 mph. Yes, you can use what you learn in the temple in your own home. I have a calling. Maybe I’m wrong. for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. I don’t believe it was. I hope to read her my blog post to see how she responds. Thank you for opening up new understandings for me to ponder and pray about. I may get another one of those calls to come see the Bishop. He has absolutely no need to perform a prayer circle in his home. “…If any with gloomy forebodings or heavy hearts enter, may they depart with their burdens lightened and their faith increased; if any have envy or bitterness in their hearts, may such feelings be replaced by self-searching and forgiveness. On the one hand it is very simple, but taking this step deepens the place, refines us further and further. Things have changed now. I was blessed to do hundreds, perhaps thousands of those names as well. “The $5 Miracle” (January 2013 Friend) A young President Thomas S. Monson prays fervently after accidentally leaving money in jeans that are laundered. I am simply overwhelmed with emotion. This indeed is mighty prayer. Someone in the circle must have the keywords, signs and tokens, so there must be an endowed individual at the family altar. When praying with a group of people only the person saying the prayer speaks. Nothing wrong with that, but just normal, standard prayers. One of the things I appreciate about many of the sisters’ addresses at Conference is that, like Tim, they are sharing life experiences – testifying, according to the true meaning of the word – and allowing the audience to arrive at their own conclusions concerning the meaning of it all. Personally, I have long believed the TOP was not only possible and accepted by the Lord to do in our own homes, but that it was in fact taught in the ‘early days’. You are already helping others, and will help even more. You will not be brought into the presence of the Lord until you are tested by false messengers. Prayer and meditation while studying the scriptures are all we need to commune with our Father in Heaven through His Son, Jesus Christ. 8 And it came to pass, as they understood they cast their eyes up again towards heaven; and behold, they saw a Man descending out of heaven; and he was clothed in a white robe; and he came down and stood in the midst of them; and the eyes of the whole multitude were turned upon him, and they durst not open their mouths, even one to another, and wist not what it meant, for they thought it was an angel that had appeared unto them. I can’t imagine the learning that must have taken place. For the last few years I’ve fasted on General Conference Sunday. Antony, I have to laugh because, yes, my altar is my bed. I now know how it is to be used. I’m not saying it was the Lord. There is nothing wrong with prepared words as long as they are from the heart, mind, and will of Christ. After my email (to Tim) last night, I continued to contemplate things and had a conversation with my dear friend back home (the only person other than my wife I feel I can breach this subject) in which we agree we are both profoundly interested in this topic. Where is heaven from which the Spirit of God came down. I love the ancient phrase “if you bring forth the rose inside you what you bring forth will save you. The Lord gave me an assignment Monday morning as I was driving to work. I love what you had to say about loving and sustaining those who lead this church. If the Savior in former days laid His hands upon His disciples, why not in latter days? The True Order of Prayer (or Order of Prayer if you prefer) includes the prayer circle, a practice of the ages. I did, however, repeat the phrase out loud Adam used at the altar as he, and I, offered the fourth sign. Thanks Barkers. It also includes the signs of the priesthood. There should be a prayer circle going on inside us or WITHIN us. The scriptures are tips of icebergs that only by revelation do they reveal vast bodies of truth that the prophets are trying to relay. You may not be Denver Snuffer but you are Tim Malone and that is what matters. I’m kind of over getting told to throw my hands up in the air He will help us in all our righteous pursuits, but He seldom will do something for us that we can do ourselves. In addition to commanding us to pray in private, the Savior has exhorted us to pray with our families. Alma said, “I … do command you in the language of him who hath commanded me” (Alma 5:61). As we close our prayers, we should take time to pause and listen. http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/07/14/the-family-altar/, http://www.journeytothefullness.com/the-journey-receiving-our-endowment/, Follow Latter-day Commentary – Last Days – Signs of the Times on WordPress.com, Duane Crowther Has Not Been Excommunicated, Mauricio Berger and the Sealed Book of Mormon, Snuffer Reader Excommunicated for Apostasy, Latter-day Commentary - Last Days - Signs of the Times. I second what Mark posted this morning: the things you’re describing can be done spiritually, as well. It was in answer to my prayer of the night before – the Sunday night prayer using the True Order of Prayer. Where did the Holy Ghost fall from to enter their hearts? I would love to be able to have these wonderful things you have shared in my home. The members of the circle repeat the words of the prayer. To the Nephites He said, “Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, which is right, believing that ye shall receive, behold it shall be given unto you” (3 Nephi 18:20). The adults did not have the faith to understand. It is important that in our teaching we make use of the language of holy writ. The Lord has been very kind to me and I don’t want to stand before Him some day and be asked why I opposed His chosen leaders and stood with those who found fault with them. The words and the way they are used in the Book of Mormon by the Lord should become our source of understanding and should be used by us in teaching gospel principles. I am grateful for it. Anyway, it hasn’t happened yet. I know what it is. Now the church may not agree with what I’m about to share. I was endowed in the good old days – 1976. “The Lorde said to me the other day…”. I have her patriarchal blessing where it’s stated it was her calling and election. I have never heard of this! And I’m not talking about a generalized sort of sacrifice. A hundred jewels between teeth You see, my parents were both incredibly active in Temple service. Several of the private emails I’ve received since I posted about my experience have indicated there will surely be displeasure expressed or that censure will probably be required of me by my brethren in the Stake Presidency and the High Council with whom I serve and love. 😉, Ah!… Somehow I missed completing the though that “I posed some questions to a friend about this basic topic… hard to do over great distances though.”, Tim, thank you for sharing the details of your prayer, it gives me great peace to know the LORD knows and loves li’l ol’ Tim in California USA. This council was given to those members of the “anointed quorum” in Nauvoo. In your own home, you are the presiding authority with every right, in fact, responsibility, to invite true messengers to prepare you in all things to converse with the Lord through the veil. We discussed what went on in the temple many times. We’re on each other’s team If we are the temple (individually), then I am the temple, you are the temple, each person reading this is the temple. He meant nothing by it. I have received inspiration all my life, but this was powerful. Sweet Power of Prayer [LDS Devotional] The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints ^ | April 2003 | Elder Russell M. Nelson Posted on 06/03/2008 12:48:08 PM PDT by TheDon. We are not just being taught to whom we pray or that the order of prayer means to express gratitude first and then voice petitions. So there Oh, sorry, I’m rambling. Equating our body with Eve and our mind with Adam had never occurred to me. Hand placement matters, yes. Where did Christ say heaven was which the listeners couldn’t understand? I hope everyone enjoys conference and can come away feeling uplifted and inspired. The Holy Ghost is the one kneeling and speaking at the alter after our body(EVE) and our mind (ADAM) is joined in harmony with each other in love deferring to the Holy Ghost.. We show signs that we are obeying the laws given to us and then allow the Holy Ghost to speak and then we repeat the words. Tim, this is marvelous. This is between you and the Lord. There is more for me to consider as I try to understand, but I just thought I’d share this without comment as I consider other questions, but I will seek more light and knowledge. It’s hard to believe he is the oldest apostle at 92. All things taught therein culminate in the exercising of them at the veil. To pierce the heavens, pierce the veil, pierce the unbelief and discover the mind of God WITHIN us and enter his presence. Do you want to? And you know, we’re on each other’s team, I’m kind of over getting told to throw my hands up in the air, so there Only pure knowledge that greatly enlarges the soul without hypocrisy or guile. Because so many people have asked for additional detail, I’ve included a response to one reader in the comments below. Elder Nelson has taught truth, but not all truth, meaning there is more we learn in the temple and more our Heavenly Father will teach us. Why do we learn all those things taught within the ceremony? 29 And he said: Yea, I believe that he created all things which are in the earth; but I do not know the heavens. I was also stuck initially by your mention of 40. Reverent steps including fasting will strengthen your faith and reliance upon the Lord. We did two sessions that day just to be sure I understood what I was getting into. Although sometimes we may need to pray silently, we should make an extra effort at times to pray vocally (see Doctrine and Covenants 19:28; 20:51). I’ve been praying for those who will speak. I know, because using Mel Fish techniques, I cast out evil spirits continually since preparatory arrangements have been made. Annalea, it is possible to discuss matters in the holy temple 🙂 there are study rooms and corridors with chairs. She taught me to love the temple. I can add my testimony to yours. That your home is a sacred place like the temple. @ log 11:34 am … thank you! The ritual involves forming a circle of participants around a person who offers a prayer, usually at an altar in a temple. Yes, on one level that describes the true order of prayer. Can you explain the Snuffer quote: I’m kind of over getting told to throw my hands up in the air So there. It was clear as could be. If we have a difficult task before us, Heavenly Father is pleased when we get on our knees and ask for help and then get on our feet and go to work. We’re on each other’s team It’s kind of humorous, really. It is not a secret. (Luke 17:21). Loud and clear, Father said, “Hand placement matters!” (see the link and you may understand why) .. 🙂, Maybe the message was personal, a reminder for me. I grew up feeling very comfortable with the concepts of the temple. You must respond to those requests and do as the Lord has revealed it to you. I promise you He will come to you. I do not blame her in the least. He spent two years in Central America as a missionary. To finish answering your last two questions, I don’t know about asking for something in the past or the future. Our prayers for our own welfare and for the welfare of others will be in vain if we “turn away the needy, and the naked, and visit not the sick and afflicted, and impart of your substance, if ye have, to those who stand in need” (Alma 34:28). It is required to proceed to the veil. I am interested to see if she notices anything different once I have dedicated my altar. And if it is, why doesn’t anyone who just google’s the temple ceremony, purchases some temple clothing and garments (which per the factory and hired sewing employee isn’t any more “special” than purchasing clothing from Walmart) … why isn’t everyone directly experiencing the true order of prayer? LOL. To commune with divinity, receive revelation to know what manner of men/women we might need to be. We should pray to Him and no one else. 3 Nephi 9:20 And you know, and you know, and you know. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Should I wish to enquire for present things I should use my own name which refers to present things and should I want to enquire for future things I would use the third name which refers to the first token of the Melchizedek priesthood or is the third token that is given and refers to the Son. Hello Church Mum, Please, please, please use the brethren and official LDS books for your guidelines – not an individual. Adam and Eve, (body and spirit) are at one with each other, and Peter offers up the prayer (mind of God). After twelve years, he recently retired as the IT Director for a private corporate jet management company located at the Burbank Bob Hope airport. The Church advises that a simple prayer should follow four basic steps: Address God as "Father in Heaven" or "Heavenly Father." Some might contend that this last contradicts its source material – however, it is canonized in its present form and is the binding and official teaching of the Church, by common consent. We have experienced opposition. We live in cities you’ll never see on screen I spoke slowly but with a sense of power I don’t normally feel. God bless you my friend. and gratitude 🙂. I know my calling and election. Well, the Internet has changed everything. Here is one key … reclaim what you have experienced as you have read what Tim shared and EXPERIMENT upon the word 🙂 He stands at the door knocking … will you answer? Post was not sent - check your email addresses! and as with many other things I’m learning as completely knew…..I must ponder about this. I want to honor you in the sense of your gift, love of truth, love of rightness, of God … of the Holy Ghost. I usually experience an open heaven during worship, with or without that, so I hadn’t made a connection before. All signs tokens and words are to represent and convey meaning to you. very differently. To be sure of the message here… is the distinction being made that we need to be endowed, but women would not need a priesthood holder ‘present’ while calling upon God in the TOP? “May all who come within these sacred walls feel a peaceful, hallowed influence. Praise GOD and Amen brother Tim. I pray for those in the Twelve who are not well – President Monson, President Packer, Elder Scott and Elder Hales. It is up to us to discover what that “calling” is. I know what my mission is. The person praying should say the prayer in the plural such as, "We thank thee," and "We ask thee." You have the keys to deal with that if the adversary attempts it. Personal, private prayer is an essential part of our spiritual development. It’s been two generations since LDS prayer circles were cast out of the world and relegated to temple-ritual status. LDS Quotes on & about Prayer presented in an easy-to-read format. Is it really about physical objects in this mortal “holodeck”? Note: This activity may be copied or printed from the Internet at www.lds.org. Always best to go directly to the source. This is a very private spiritual matter that need not be confined to practice in public only within the temple, but also does not need to be rehearsed physically as we are taught. It’s a shame, but true. We should not worry about what others may think of what we say. Helaman 5:45 During Sunday’s prayer I was at perfect peace, felt great confidence and solemnity. I plan on fasting on Sunday. If what this person says is true, we would have been informed by the Prophet of God. You just blew a couple of doors off my minds hinges and I’m grateful for that. It is sacred to me and part of an agreement with the Lord. I may not be able to google it on lds.org, but that will never change what I experience inside of me, nor what I am completely pathetically trying to assist Heaven with here. The reason to veil has to do with the Shekhinah, which you can research at your leisure. No pap here. She said she was pondering it. You do not need permission from your bishop, stake president, general authorities or the prophet. Lorde is the name of the artist. Anyway, to the point. And you know, we’re on each other’s team The Lord is more concerned with why you do things than what you do. I knelt, made the second sign and began to pray aloud. Hmmm, I wonder if I meant synchronistic instead of serendipitous….? I told the Stake President I was not correlated…he kept my and my wife’s recommends until I return and tell him I am correlated and “perfectly aligned with the brethren.” My wife told me to find a new church. I especially like to think of it this way in the prayer circle. Its members-only status ironically has robbed the prayer circle of the Denver relates what a heavy price that is, though, “I did not have any idea the difficulties and sacrifices involved in trading faith for knowledge. Thank you for following the promptings of the Spirit. I’m not sure if I can write the things I feel in my heart right now. In His Sermon on the Mount, Jesus Christ counseled: “Enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly” (Matthew 6:6). The approach can be spiritually performed. Acts 1 I’m going on vacation in a couple of months and I want to discuss this with my friend in a more private setting. I sensed a door, or rather a portal opening, and the presence of a recorder. Sacred things are vital for all to know who want everlasting lfe and the eternal round to commence. I can be short with salespeople on the phone sometimes. We humans don’t learn best in a vacuum–we learn through interactions, connections with others. Remember, the things we are taught are symbols. It’s a sacred experience to me. I’m pretty sure that we use certain symbols (ie words, scriptures, etc.) Strengthen your faith; cast off your doubts, your sins, and all your unbelief; and nothing can prevent you from coming to God. I hope the spirit bears witness. I’m looking forward to hearing from President Monson, our prophet. Not that it makes too much difference since the Salt Lake Temple is slightly to the left from my bed and the Netherlands Temple is slightly to the right, I could include both without really trying. I haven’t. I continue to be overwhelmed by personal emails and don’t feel in my heart I can ignore them. They decided to seek those answers at home, in a prayer circle, using the 'true order of prayer,' as taught in LDS temples" (Johns, p. 32). I’m even more excited about my worth after that! I don’t walk ahead of anyone, and have just as many warts and zits as the next guy. Personally, I would prefer to have a proper altar, I am just not too sure where I could place it in my home. How great would it be to have it as our constant companion?! Perhaps the experience would be different had I been wearing the robes of the priesthood. What joy fills my heart to hear you proclaim these words, Tim! Where is heaven from which the Spirit of God came down. Make sure you are standing as you do so. 45 And behold, the Holy Spirit of God did come down from heaven, and did enter into their hearts, and they were filled as if with fire, and they could speak forth marvelous words. I would love to visit with you sometime about having one’s CEMS. Please don’t leave a comment telling me I’ve violated my covenants. What if this is Literal? God bless us all on our journey to the veil to have courage and trust in the Lord. There is a very well written piece on the endowment, title and blog below, that i’d highly recommend reading. In this day of computers, phones, and pagers, people communicate with one … 3 Nephi 19:13 We should “live in thanksgiving daily, for the many mercies and blessings which he doth bestow upon [us]” (Alma 34:38). I now know why the Brethren have not taught this openly. Follow this path, and yes there are deeper “mortal” “reading” resources available, but Tim has share even enough here to open quite the door. Put me down for a copy. When we make a request through prayer, we must do all we can to assist in its being granted. Thanks to all for sharing your experiences. So many people have sent me their material on the subject and have shared their own sacred experiences with parting the veil through the True Order of Prayer in their own homes. You do not need to be afraid of being deceived. Thank you for posting this! You can. Most of the ones I have read come from journal entries and meeting minutes. It just came to me as I was writing it now. If this request is coming from Salt Lake, I can only respond as follows: I asked for and received permission from the Lord to post what I did. Again, I thank you for all you allow, share and teach!!! When done, kneel down, follow Brigham’s instructions above in which sign you use and pray out loud. So this makes a lot of sense. Your post has answered a prayer for me, and the spirit has testified of that you have spoken truth. I’m no Denver Snuffer, but if given the opportunity to defend what I’ve done, I will teach what I’m allowed by the Lord and if the Stake President consents, but will probably respond thusly if asked to remove the post or the blog: “President, you know I love you and don’t want to cause you any difficulties. It raises us to a higher level. They may come in the circumstances of our lives or through the kind acts of those around us. If there is an order or ceremony to pray that will bring us closer to communing with God and our redeemer then I can’t think of anything more essential. I think I started it something like this: “O Lord, I call upon thee in the true order of prayer with a specific desire and request to ask of thee for my own welfare and salvation.” I then paused, expectantly, wondering. 21.) Where is heaven from which the Spirit of God came down. There have been too many cases where those experimenting with the true order of prayer in their own homes were deceived because they did not test the messengers. The moon we love like a brother, while he glows through the room, Dancin’ around the lies we tell The goal is to complete it tomorrow and get it posted. See more ideas about lds quotes, the church of jesus christ, prayers. Rodney, just remember to be gentle with yourself along the way. That prohibition is another step in severing our links to the eternities. Hi SFort. She is not convinced of anything even if I show it to her in black and white. I accept your call to repentance. May God bless you. With such an important goal I imagine that the process and order to this would be steep in symbolism to raise our souls to think differently to higher heights than our natural carnal thoughts can take us. Now, I sleep deep and untroubled, awaken refreshed and happy. Look upon your greatness I hope President Monson is well enough to speak. By the way, since Sunday was a Fast Sunday for our stake, I was fasting for several things. I’ve made it a rule not to criticize them to others. Or in the case of private prayers, you're merely formalizing it to satisfy the true order of prayer. I’m only 26, so it almost feels like cheating just coming here and reading this much in a couple of days! Likewise, you will not receive true messengers until you offer obedience and sacrifice that shows the Lord you are serious about parting the veil and conversing with him. According to this scripture a House of Order is not a "clutter free" house, but a house where the members are taught about prayer, faith, fasting, learning, and glory. This was specifically for me, my present calling and election and what the Lord expected of me to make it sure. 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